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	<title>Comments on: Will a Short Sale Damage Your Credit Less Than a Foreclosure?</title>
	<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LendingClarity.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How About a SubPrime Lender Survey?</title>
		<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13505</link>
		<dc:creator>LendingClarity.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How About a SubPrime Lender Survey?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And what about the so called “rate freeze”? Because of a few short sale posts here at Lending Clarity, homeowners from across the country contact me every day asking for advice because they can’t get their lenders to help them. These efforts on the part of lenders so far are voluntary, so they can easily add their names to the media’s good-guy list without actually doing a thing to help anyone. And that seems to be the reality so far. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] And what about the so called “rate freeze”? Because of a few short sale posts here at Lending Clarity, homeowners from across the country contact me every day asking for advice because they can’t get their lenders to help them. These efforts on the part of lenders so far are voluntary, so they can easily add their names to the media’s good-guy list without actually doing a thing to help anyone. And that seems to be the reality so far. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brinitzer</title>
		<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13459</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Brinitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13459</guid>
		<description>Stellaaa, I have clients whose attorney have recommended just that: let it go to foreclosure.  That at least may mitigate some of the tax liability.

There is, I think, a bill that has been approved by the House and is before the Senate or may even be on the Pres's desk for signature that waives the tax liability for debt relief.  Of course, insolvency will qualify you for a waiver from the IRS for any tax associated with debt relief.  I'm not sure how the state with income taxes feel about that.

Short sales have a window. Typically, if the sale cannot be consummated in a reasonable period of time, the lender forecloses anyway.   

Your question about credit scores and renting is a good one.  The answer may lie in the landlord's perception of the risk.  If I were considering leasing to someone with a short sale, I would look harder at credit prior to the short sale, at the borrower's job and income, and at how the problem came to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stellaaa, I have clients whose attorney have recommended just that: let it go to foreclosure.  That at least may mitigate some of the tax liability.</p>
<p>There is, I think, a bill that has been approved by the House and is before the Senate or may even be on the Pres&#8217;s desk for signature that waives the tax liability for debt relief.  Of course, insolvency will qualify you for a waiver from the IRS for any tax associated with debt relief.  I&#8217;m not sure how the state with income taxes feel about that.</p>
<p>Short sales have a window. Typically, if the sale cannot be consummated in a reasonable period of time, the lender forecloses anyway.   </p>
<p>Your question about credit scores and renting is a good one.  The answer may lie in the landlord&#8217;s perception of the risk.  If I were considering leasing to someone with a short sale, I would look harder at credit prior to the short sale, at the borrower&#8217;s job and income, and at how the problem came to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Stellaaa</title>
		<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13447</link>
		<dc:creator>Stellaaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13447</guid>
		<description>Since the credit will be dinged anyway, might as well go foreclosure since you will not get the 1099.  Is there any talk to change the tax implication?  
I am helping a friend who needs to make the decision, in the end it's her decision, but short sale seem like it will drag out for a long time.  

How is the credit hit affecting people who then have to go find a rental?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the credit will be dinged anyway, might as well go foreclosure since you will not get the 1099.  Is there any talk to change the tax implication?<br />
I am helping a friend who needs to make the decision, in the end it&#8217;s her decision, but short sale seem like it will drag out for a long time.  </p>
<p>How is the credit hit affecting people who then have to go find a rental?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brinitzer</title>
		<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13409</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Brinitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13409</guid>
		<description>Just had what I thought was an update from the national sales director at a major credit reporting firm.  

I had forwarded a flyer from a title company quoting another local lender and predicting only an 80-100 point drop in Fico scores from a short sales vs. a 200-250 point drop from a foreclosures.  

At first she said it was true, citing as evidence "industry statistics".  Later she indicated that it was mainly anecdotal evidence from home owners currently going through the process.   What?

It's hard to imagine that the there is enough data to yet draw that conclusion. And I suspect that there are other factors at work, like whether the homeowner has been current on payments up to the event.  

Most people that I speak with who are considering a short sale are frustrated to contact the lender and be told that they must first default on a payment before the lender will talk.  In other words, they are current on their mortgage at the time.

Once people decide to go to foreclosure, most have given up on other options and simply stop making payments.  A series of late payments ensues, followed eventually by a Notice of Default.  That could certainly be harder on your scores.

In the end, Fico scores aside, once a new lender learns you've had a short sale, don't count on getting a mortgage for at least 2 years, and then it will depend on how quickly your scores bounce back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had what I thought was an update from the national sales director at a major credit reporting firm.  </p>
<p>I had forwarded a flyer from a title company quoting another local lender and predicting only an 80-100 point drop in Fico scores from a short sales vs. a 200-250 point drop from a foreclosures.  </p>
<p>At first she said it was true, citing as evidence &#8220;industry statistics&#8221;.  Later she indicated that it was mainly anecdotal evidence from home owners currently going through the process.   What?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine that the there is enough data to yet draw that conclusion. And I suspect that there are other factors at work, like whether the homeowner has been current on payments up to the event.  </p>
<p>Most people that I speak with who are considering a short sale are frustrated to contact the lender and be told that they must first default on a payment before the lender will talk.  In other words, they are current on their mortgage at the time.</p>
<p>Once people decide to go to foreclosure, most have given up on other options and simply stop making payments.  A series of late payments ensues, followed eventually by a Notice of Default.  That could certainly be harder on your scores.</p>
<p>In the end, Fico scores aside, once a new lender learns you&#8217;ve had a short sale, don&#8217;t count on getting a mortgage for at least 2 years, and then it will depend on how quickly your scores bounce back.</p>
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		<title>By: The Best on The Vine, week of November 25</title>
		<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13404</link>
		<dc:creator>The Best on The Vine, week of November 25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 02:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13404</guid>
		<description>[...] The media is beating us about the head on a daily basis about the rising number of foreclosures across the country and how they will effect the housing market. Marc over at Lending Clarity has an excellent post on the difference in a short sale vs. a foreclosure on your credit report. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The media is beating us about the head on a daily basis about the rising number of foreclosures across the country and how they will effect the housing market. Marc over at Lending Clarity has an excellent post on the difference in a short sale vs. a foreclosure on your credit report. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13401</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13401</guid>
		<description>Kind of Catch-22 isn't it Tom?  The lenders won't usually talk to you unless you've proven your hardship by defaulting on your payments.  Once you do that, you've already started damaging your credit.   

I don't know if that's a "screw you" or just a stall tactic on the part of the lenders.  There are certainly other ways they can tell if you're unable to make your payments.

What I can tell you is that there is increasing pressure on lenders to work pro-actively with homeowners.  Lenders who have previously set up counseling centers (sounds good) but then dispensed worthless and stupid advise like "get a roommate", or "go find a 2nd job" are being ripped now in the press.    Check out www.Countrywidehomeloansucks.com .  With enough of this sentiment, lenders will come around.  Hang on if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of Catch-22 isn&#8217;t it Tom?  The lenders won&#8217;t usually talk to you unless you&#8217;ve proven your hardship by defaulting on your payments.  Once you do that, you&#8217;ve already started damaging your credit.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s a &#8220;screw you&#8221; or just a stall tactic on the part of the lenders.  There are certainly other ways they can tell if you&#8217;re unable to make your payments.</p>
<p>What I can tell you is that there is increasing pressure on lenders to work pro-actively with homeowners.  Lenders who have previously set up counseling centers (sounds good) but then dispensed worthless and stupid advise like &#8220;get a roommate&#8221;, or &#8220;go find a 2nd job&#8221; are being ripped now in the press.    Check out <a href="http://www.Countrywidehomeloansucks.com" rel="nofollow">www.Countrywidehomeloansucks.com</a> .  With enough of this sentiment, lenders will come around.  Hang on if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13390</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lendingclarity.com/2007/11/27/will-a-short-sale-damage-credit-less-than-a-foreclosure/#comment-13390</guid>
		<description>I called a short sale company and they told me I can't be current on my mortgate before asking the lender for approval on a short sale. I'm current but they does not mean I can afford it. It took me a year to work something out with my lender now I can see the number are too tight. Could I talk directly with the lender and ask them not to post my mortgage lates then I will do a short sale. I hate to just stop paying the mortgage company because the short sale company say's I have no other choice. It seems like I said in my last post, no matter what you do the mortgage industry is going to ding you one way or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called a short sale company and they told me I can&#8217;t be current on my mortgate before asking the lender for approval on a short sale. I&#8217;m current but they does not mean I can afford it. It took me a year to work something out with my lender now I can see the number are too tight. Could I talk directly with the lender and ask them not to post my mortgage lates then I will do a short sale. I hate to just stop paying the mortgage company because the short sale company say&#8217;s I have no other choice. It seems like I said in my last post, no matter what you do the mortgage industry is going to ding you one way or the other.</p>
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